tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post1186130900930806753..comments2024-01-22T09:45:29.790+01:00Comments on Racing Rules of Sailing - Look to Windward: Definitions | 3Joshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-89203738832691954152008-02-21T21:41:00.000+01:002008-02-21T21:41:00.000+01:00I agree with the two first comments that the rule ...I agree with the two first comments that the rule 42 issue should be addressed by a protest.<BR/>Then there's rule 47.2. In my opinion you cannot finish because you cannot continue racing when the crew is not back on board. But again, as with rule 42, this is something the PC - or any other boat - has to protest, before it becomes an issue.<BR/>Leaves finishing: ... in normal position ...<BR/>If a boat is capsized the position of the hull only changes in one direction. For instance the bow is still in the same place in the horizontal plane whether the boat is on it's side or not. There's no advantage.<BR/>I partly agree with Adrian. I would score the boat as finished when any part of her hull crosses the line.<BR/><BR/>I've seen this happen in a local regatta, with a Flits, a national youth class, five meters before the line.... <BR/>Because of it, the boat lost six places (they were second), and nobody had the hart to protest, including me.Joshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-87756537787538689562008-02-21T13:45:00.000+01:002008-02-21T13:45:00.000+01:00What about this:Call Ump 21 specifies to "normal p...What about this:<BR/><BR/>Call Ump 21 specifies to "normal position": The general test when addressing thes questions is "Is this how the boat would normally be sailed, in the absence of other boats?" Our capsized boats position does defintily not refer to the presence of another boat racing. However there are two options the situation could be seen and lets assume that the normal position sailing upright across our finishing line(e.g on a beat) is the bow in front:<BR/><BR/>a) Score the boat when the bow is crossing the line.<BR/>b) Score the boat when any part of the hull or the equipment crosses the line that would be in a normal position when sailing upright across the finishing line.<BR/><BR/>I consider option b)to be the appropriate solution because:<BR/>a)There is no rule that prohibits a capsized boat to finish. Be aware of 42 and 47.2.<BR/>b)It follows the the "general test" in Call Ump 21 (Sailing and absence of other boats)<BR/><BR/>Whether the boats stays upright or not does no matter in this case.<BR/><BR/>AdrianAdrian Bauderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07988637354880657287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-54339662676670510752008-02-20T17:42:00.000+01:002008-02-20T17:42:00.000+01:00For a boat to be capsized RRS 21 defines this "A b...For a boat to be capsized RRS 21 defines this "A boat is capsized when her masthead is in the water". The next question is what is ruling about the motion of capsizing? In fact in a race last year the RC scored a boat when it was turtled and drifted over the finish line. I do not think the boat and equipment was in it's normal position.<BR/>RobertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-22283295458177801052008-02-20T03:02:00.000+01:002008-02-20T03:02:00.000+01:00Does the position of the hull - parallel to the wa...Does the position of the hull - parallel to the water - change when a boat is capsized?Joshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-8441237996857096722008-02-19T18:08:00.000+01:002008-02-19T18:08:00.000+01:00The boat is not moving by action of the wind and w...The boat is not moving by action of the wind and water, so they can be protested out. I agree, score a finish and file a protest.<BR/><BR/>However, what if the current carried her over the line while capsized? Should she be scored? If yes, when: I don't know if any of the boat could be considered to be in its normal position, so when would it finish? When part of her hull crosses the line? Is capsizing a normal part of racing? If so, then mark the finish as whatever part crosses first?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-5590596221109115142008-02-19T15:01:00.000+01:002008-02-19T15:01:00.000+01:00When the boat crosss the line she has finished. B...When the boat crosss the line she has finished. But if she crosses the finish line pushed by the swimming crew, then definitely this is in an infridgement of rule 42. My guess is that she should be scorred by the RC as finished and protested by the RC or the PC/IJ for rule 42.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com