tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post1932297228715923739..comments2024-01-22T09:45:29.790+01:00Comments on Racing Rules of Sailing - Look to Windward: LTW Readers Q&A | 042; Juryprotest?Joshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-13511163387737478722010-05-25T20:52:52.226+02:002010-05-25T20:52:52.226+02:00Backing of an overlapping genoa does not by itself...Backing of an overlapping genoa does not by itself constitute passing head-to-wind. Indeed the photo suggests that after the incident and even after backing their mainsail the leeward boat is just barely rotated past head-to-wind.<br />Leeward boat is entitled to luff. Jury was not in a position to make the head-to-wind call.<br />Therefor, no protest.Philiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04961982220269492139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-3906121364027062762010-05-24T11:34:57.600+02:002010-05-24T11:34:57.600+02:00Fruitless discussion without the information which...Fruitless discussion without the information which instructions the judges got to go on the water and why they took position at the pin end of the line. “… simply observing the races …”? Like in every day life: no clear instructions can result in discussions afterwards. By the way, today I’ll observe the North Sea Regatta races, sitting on a terrace at the boulevard of Scheveningen.Adriaan Pelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02387752341037177297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-91907749189921964652010-05-22T18:44:06.773+02:002010-05-22T18:44:06.773+02:00@Anonymous (Comment 3).
I agree, that "if a b...@Anonymous (Comment 3).<br />I agree, that "if a boat purposely tacks to port at the pin and causes a big ile up..." she breaks rule 2 and in my view a hearing according to rule 69 could be considered on the grounds, that "purposely tacking" could be a gross breach of a rule.<br /><br />My uncertainty in respect to rule 2 is:<br /><br />a) Rule 3 (a) By participating in a race under the RRS, each competitor agrees to be converned by the rules<br /><br />If a competitor breaks a rule - and since there was contact, a rule has been broken - the competitor should take a penalty.<br /><br />If the competitor does not take a penalty, does she then really accept the rules? Is not accepting the rules fair?Felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16961278380919337453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-21064702415949188602010-05-21T14:45:09.855+02:002010-05-21T14:45:09.855+02:00This one is easy. Judges should not protest. If ...This one is easy. Judges should not protest. If a boat purposely tacks to port at the pin and causes a big pile up and does not take a penalty, I would protest if no boat does. If the boat in the described situation clearly hits the pin and other boats, and no boat protests, unless she takes penalty turns I believe she breaks rule 2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-25059651333771075832010-05-21T09:36:14.326+02:002010-05-21T09:36:14.326+02:00Sailing is a self policing sport and in this case ...Sailing is a self policing sport and in this case one boat flew a protest flag and then decided not to pursue the protest. Why then should the jury do their dirty work for them if they decide not to protest.<br />In the various international juries i have sat on over a number of years the policy has been not to protest a boat unless the infringement is a gross breach of a rule and the boat breaking a rule would know they have done so. The question of whether there has also been a breach of rule 2 also comes into the equation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-24533499236159139772010-05-21T05:21:14.578+02:002010-05-21T05:21:14.578+02:00Felix and Jos, thanks for the specific quotations ...Felix and Jos, thanks for the specific quotations from the Judges Manual.<br /><br />I strongly agree with Jos.<br /><br />The following cases and Q&A refer, but the Judges Manual better states the principles.<br /><br />Case 39<br /><br />Generally except when the Race committee receives a report of a breach of a class rule or of rule 43 from an equipment inspector or a measurer for an event.<br /><br />The race committee is not required to protest.<br /><br />Basic Principle - Sportsmanship and the Rules says that competitors are expected to enforce the rules. It does not place that obligation on race committees, protest committees or other race officias. <br /><br />Q&A 2006-003 – Question 1<br /><br />Where a boat makes a rule 28 error at the finishing line.<br /><br />The race committee should protest.<br /><br />Q&A 2006-003 – Question 3<br /><br />Where a boat breaks rule 31 at the finishing line.<br /><br />The race committee may protest.<br /><br />Q&A 2009-012<br /><br />Where a boat breaks rule 31 at a rounding mark.<br /><br />A race committee should not normally protest for a breach of rule 31 unless that breach appears to be an apparent breach of good sportsmanship (rule 2). Examples are:<br /><br />• deliberately touching the mark in order to gain an advantage<br />• failing to take a penalty after knowingly touching a mark.<br /><br />If the race committee is satisfied that the boat knew it touched a mark and took no penalty and did not protest another boat (for causing the incident) the race committee should protest.Brassnoreply@blogger.com