tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post330800486555098797..comments2024-01-22T09:45:29.790+01:00Comments on Racing Rules of Sailing - Look to Windward: NYYC Judge's RoundtableJoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-47942182794629636672008-04-15T11:35:00.000+02:002008-04-15T11:35:00.000+02:00Perhaps I´ve been a little unclear. I was trying t...Perhaps I´ve been a little unclear. I was trying to convey that the reason the PC should make a diagram, should not be because they think it´s needed for an appeal. <BR/>I am a great fan of making diagrams, but for other reasons.<BR/><BR/>As for reconvening, I live in a very small country, remember. Besides E-mail works fine...Joshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-44283698714468907832008-04-15T11:14:00.000+02:002008-04-15T11:14:00.000+02:00I thought you were the one encouraging us to make ...I thought you were the one encouraging us to make diagrams whenever possible?<BR/><BR/>I must confess, that in Sydney diagrams are often not made (probably because we're not that good with TSS).<BR/><BR/>If you don't make a diagram until 'requested' by the Appeal authority, doesn't that mean that you have to reconvene another meeting of the PC?<BR/><BR/>BrassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-90298435015181361022008-04-13T22:50:00.000+02:002008-04-13T22:50:00.000+02:00In principle I agree with your assessment. However...In principle I agree with your assessment. However I've made diagrams for protest only after receiving a request for comments from the appeals committee. Does that not fulfill the requirements of F2.2(b)?Joshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-48048515211465884242008-04-10T22:24:00.000+02:002008-04-10T22:24:00.000+02:00Had a little more of a think and a read about the ...Had a little more of a think and a read about the necessity for the PC to produce a diagram.<BR/><BR/>The PC should always prepare or endorse a diagram.<BR/><BR/>RRS F2.2(b) says in an appeal the Appellant must produce a diagram prepared or endorsed by the PC ... and lists what the diagram must contain.<BR/><BR/>BrassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-10904639580635021912008-04-10T11:24:00.000+02:002008-04-10T11:24:00.000+02:00Diagrams, facts and evidence.I suspect that NYYC m...Diagrams, facts and evidence.<BR/><BR/>I suspect that NYYC may have been led into this discussion by the recent US Sailing Case 104 which discusses facts, inferences, conclusions and decisions<BR/> <BR/>http://www.ussailing.org/appeals/supplements/05-08/Case_104.pdf<BR/><BR/>Your quote from Bryan Willis on Evidence and the facts on 3 February 2008 is also very relevant.<BR/><BR/>My view is:<BR/><BR/>A diagram in a protest is evidence.<BR/><BR/>A diagram prepared by the PC is probably facts found. Note my previous reservations about diagrams not necessarily showing all the facts or not showning all the facts accurately.<BR/><BR/>If the PC agrees with the diagram in the protest it 'endorses' it and it becomes facts found.<BR/><BR/>I don't think a PC needs to draw a diagram for every protest. For example non-Part 2 protests don't need diagrams. I can think of, for example, a simple Port/Stbd protest where a diagram would add nothing.<BR/><BR/>Diagrams are best at illustrating complex layout issues like your Sybesloot case, or complex manouvre. The test is, perhaps, does the diagram save a thousand words?<BR/><BR/>BrassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com