tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post3527209804233677618..comments2024-01-22T09:45:29.790+01:00Comments on Racing Rules of Sailing - Look to Windward: Serious Damage and MayhemJoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-24085763205844443052009-05-02T07:23:00.000+02:002009-05-02T07:23:00.000+02:00ISAF Case 19 is the closest you can get from the c...ISAF Case 19 is the closest you can get from the case lawRonnie Mcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-87497030892791387802008-09-19T20:19:00.000+02:002008-09-19T20:19:00.000+02:00I once had a US sailing judge run over my pushpit ...I once had a US sailing judge run over my pushpit and tell me that the resulting 3" hole in my deck and broken lifelines would not be defined as serious damage. Of course, I found him incompetent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-91742769953633428042008-09-11T06:07:00.000+02:002008-09-11T06:07:00.000+02:00I define damage as what happens to your yacht and ...I define damage as what happens to your yacht and serious damage as what happens to mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-13002863137658562312008-04-18T03:40:00.000+02:002008-04-18T03:40:00.000+02:00On the issue of 'serious damage', to me this means...On the issue of 'serious damage', to me this means:<BR/>1. Damage that impairs the seaworthiness of the boat in the existing conditions, or <BR/>2. Damage that impairs the ability of the boat to compete in the race, or<BR/>3. Damage for which the cost of repair is a 'significant' proportion of the value of the boat.<BR/><BR/>I would define "damage" as an injury that a reasonably responsible owner would repair. I would include any gelcoat damage as damage under Rule 14, other than insignificant scratches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-42661694257194822512008-04-15T06:31:00.000+02:002008-04-15T06:31:00.000+02:00To me, a minor scratch is not damage. A half-metre...To me, a minor scratch is not damage. <BR/><BR/>A half-metre gouge that penetrates the gelcoat and tears into the underlying fibreglass most likely will not immediately impair the boat's performance, but will require significant effort to repair the boat to maintain its value and prevent further damage (water intrusion, delamination, etc.), and certainly is damage. <BR/><BR/>A torn sail that can't be patched up with sail repair tape can be a huge impairment on a boat whose one-design rules don't allow a spare to be carried.<BR/><BR/>A hole in the boat is serious damage; even holes above waterline may not stay above waterline if conditions change.<BR/> <BR/>Broken stanchions can readily qualify as serious damage since they affect the safety of the crew as well as prevent crew from hiking. <BR/><BR/>One tricky one for me -- I think any visible damage to standing or some running rigging (shrouds, stays, chain plates, spreaders, spars, etc.) has a high potential to be serious damage. But, it could be very tricky even for a professional rigger to tell whether the rig is in danger of failing. It's rather like checking a person out for whiplash or concussion after a collision. If boats hit hard, I would consider giving the benefit of the doubt to an owner who believes his or her rig has been compromised.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13417115374524861438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-64307604292134272862008-04-13T22:33:00.000+02:002008-04-13T22:33:00.000+02:00In Match racing there's a guideline from ISAF whic...In Match racing there's a guideline from ISAF which awards half a point penalty only, with a damage for which the repair-cost exceeds $100,-Joshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-50838461513462589022008-04-10T12:30:00.000+02:002008-04-10T12:30:00.000+02:00I'm not comfortable with the 'any scratch or nick'...I'm not comfortable with the 'any scratch or nick' suggestion from tillerman.<BR/><BR/>If that was the right meaning then RRS 14(b) would be meaningless.<BR/><BR/>Damage has to be not trivial or insignificant, or only such that would be upsetting to a particularly 'boat-proud' owner like tillerman.<BR/><BR/>Looking at the IJ Manual criteria, I would be inclined to add "or that would cost a significant amount to repair".<BR/><BR/>I think perhaps the best way to deal with this would be to leave the RRS as they stand, and, if the particular OA wishes, to insert some amplification of Damage or Serious Damage, possibly by reference to cost of repair.<BR/><BR/>BrassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-64043008469721285972008-04-09T17:54:00.000+02:002008-04-09T17:54:00.000+02:00I have always assumed that "damage" for the purpos...I have always assumed that "damage" for the purposes of Rule 14(b) is any kind of physical damage to the boat, even if quite minor. If the gelcoat of my boat is scratched or nicked then I would consider that as "damage" and expect the boat that caused it to be subject to a penalty under 14(b) if the rule applied to its actions.<BR/><BR/>That is a little different from your definition as I would not necessarily repair a nick or scratch that day.Tillermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639738519386820997noreply@blogger.com