tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post575517245827816028..comments2024-01-22T09:45:29.790+01:00Comments on Racing Rules of Sailing - Look to Windward: RRS 18 ON and OFF in RRS 2009-2012Joshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-30485419657628887052008-10-01T21:51:00.000+02:002008-10-01T21:51:00.000+02:00To all, I will prepare a post about the use of the...To all, I will prepare a post about the use of the wording "to" and "at" the mark.<BR/><BR/>To Greg K: In my opinion rule 16.1 never switches on as long as the boat is sailing her proper course while rounding the mark. This is already much better then in the old rules. Proper course can much more easily be determined then "when both have passed the mark"<BR/>It is now no longer depending on the trailing boat.<BR/><BR/>To Jan Visser: there's not yet a workshop PPT on the new rules.Joshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-61157744200640305672008-09-29T04:23:00.000+02:002008-09-29T04:23:00.000+02:00Jos,Thank you for your explanation. At first I di...Jos,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your explanation. At first I disagreed with part of it which forced me to read the new rules again and recognized a subtlety that I had not noticed before. "you stated sail to the mark in a seamanlike way" which exactly matches the new definition of "Mark-room" which says "<I>Room</I>" (therefore seamanlike way) "for a boat to sail <B>to</B> the <I>mark</I>, and then <I>room</I> to sail her <I>proper course</I> while <B>at</B> the <I>mark</I>."<BR/>Which then begs the question of when does "at the mark" begin so the rights change from seamanlike room to proper course room.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07298800591006097579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-38502847615975740142008-09-28T18:22:00.000+02:002008-09-28T18:22:00.000+02:00Thank you for your explanation of the "RRS 18 ON a...Thank you for your explanation of the "RRS 18 ON and OFF in RRS 2009-2012". Your explanation is very useful in understanding the new rule 18. <BR/>I welcome New rule which becomes easier than Old rule.<BR/>But I have to prepare to take a thorny path which is to revise my private edition of rules guide book .....<BR/>Sen YamaokaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-91738839552882988172008-09-26T21:27:00.000+02:002008-09-26T21:27:00.000+02:00Thank you Jos for the explanation on the "RRS 18 O...Thank you Jos for the explanation on the "RRS 18 ON and OFF in RRS 2009-2012". Did you spot already a workshop on this new rule, like the Rule_18_workshop 2.ppt<BR/>Jan VisserAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-52046983435957612942008-09-26T17:53:00.000+02:002008-09-26T17:53:00.000+02:00What is missed here, and still not answered to any...What is missed here, and still not answered to any satisfaction that I can see, is when 18 ceases to apply formally. When a boat is burdened by RRS 18 and is altering course to round, the obligations of RRS 16.1 do not apply. At the point RRS 18 "turns off" any course change by the Right of Way boat is now subject to rule 16.1.<BR/><BR/>So, when a leading boat in a match race rounds a leeward mark to starboard and tacks immediately around the mark, the trailing boat (still sailing to the mark) has no 16.1 protection until the leading boat has completed their rounding. What point has that happened? The rules still do not tell us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-51965653026259761862008-09-26T17:33:00.000+02:002008-09-26T17:33:00.000+02:00Regarding when 18 ceases to apply:Bear in mind the...Regarding when 18 ceases to apply:<BR/><BR/>Bear in mind the definition of Mark Room. "<I>Room for a boat to sail to the mark, and then room to sail her proper course while at the mark...</I>"<BR/><BR/><BR/>So, while the inside boat may be entitled to mark room until she leaves the zone, mark room doesn't entitle her to anything after she is no longer "at the mark".<BR/><BR/>From the time an inside (or clear-ahead) boat leaves the mark until she leaves the zone, rule 18 <I>applies</I> but it doesn't restrict the actions of the other boat. A subtle, and probably irrelevant distinction in practical terms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com