tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post5886891939669086570..comments2024-01-22T09:45:29.790+01:00Comments on Racing Rules of Sailing - Look to Windward: Racing Rules of Sailing 2009-2012 | 4Joshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-25036918701979932342008-07-10T16:00:00.000+02:002008-07-10T16:00:00.000+02:00Hello experts,Can anyone of you present a diagram ...Hello experts,<BR/>Can anyone of you present a diagram to show what you are talking about? “… a boat who is overlapped to windward and inside boat, the right to tack in rounding a leeward mark …” is abracadabra to me. <BR/>Thanks in advance.<BR/>Adriaan Pels.Adriaan Pelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02387752341037177297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-16193995969308466832008-07-09T20:49:00.000+02:002008-07-09T20:49:00.000+02:00frank,'at the mark' is a new term, so I can't defi...frank,<BR/><BR/>'at the mark' is a new term, so I can't definitively say what it means. Hopefully the new case book will give an example that makes it clear.<BR/><BR/>The way *I* read it is that a boat is not "at the mark" until she is right along side it. In your example, if P "luffs a little first" that activity occurs before she is at the mark. So, no, she is not entitled to do a wide rounding.<BR/><BR/>Under the current rules, she's not entitled to a wide rounding either. As I said earlier, I don't think anything substantial has changed for "ordinary" mark roundings, although the language in which it is stated has changed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-7953504576060850292008-07-09T15:40:00.000+02:002008-07-09T15:40:00.000+02:00Little question. This is the case:0 Blue on starbo...Little question. This is the case:<BR/>0 Blue on starboard tack<BR/>0 Yellow on port tack<BR/>0 Yellow on Blue's starboard side<BR/>0 Entering the 3 blz of a leeward mark to be left to starboard.<BR/><BR/>Blue now has to give Yellow room 'to sail to the mark, and then room to sail her proper course at the mark'.<BR/><BR/>Where does 'at the mark' begin? Does Yellow have the opportunity to luff a little first, to round the mark better?Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275257369709609372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-84249204602092827982008-07-08T17:13:00.000+02:002008-07-08T17:13:00.000+02:00...this new definition gives a boat who is overlap...<I>...this new definition gives a boat who is overlapped to windward and inside boat, the right to tack in rounding a leeward mark.</I><BR/><BR/>While the definition is new here, in practice I don't think anything has really changed. Under the current rules, a boat with an inside overlap must be given room to tack if that's a "normal part of the manoeuvre". The new rules cast it in terms of sailing a proper course, but from where I sit, the boats are still required to do the same thing.<BR/><BR/>Now, I'm it's possible come up with a scenario or two where the old rule and the new rule differ, but for most ordinary roundings it seems like business as usual.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>He has to to do it before he himself or the other boat has passed the mark. After that the outside boat is no longer required to give mark-room.</I><BR/><BR/>Not quite. A boat entitled to mark-room continues to be entitled to it after passing the mark. However, mark-room only includes the right for the inside boat to sail a proper course (i.e. to tack) while at the mark. After passing the mark, mark-room still applies, but it no longer includes the right to tack. A subtle and probably unimportant distinction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-83444559513542785632008-07-08T09:03:00.000+02:002008-07-08T09:03:00.000+02:00Hi Jos,Yesterday I got a first good look at the ch...Hi Jos,<BR/><BR/>Yesterday I got a first good look at the changes of the rules and definitions.<BR/><BR/>The thing that struck me the most about the mark room, was that an inside boat now has the right to "room to sail her proper course while at the mark". Even if the inside boat isn't the ROW boat!Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01275257369709609372noreply@blogger.com