tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post7553819690873202451..comments2024-01-22T09:45:29.790+01:00Comments on Racing Rules of Sailing - Look to Windward: Not a definition but should be?Joshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-22260558884077994482008-04-15T10:42:00.000+02:002008-04-15T10:42:00.000+02:00Jos said"And in response I've asked many time the ...Jos said<BR/><BR/>"And in response I've asked many time the volume of the hail...."<BR/><BR/>And how many times was the protestor silly enough to reply "really soft"?<BR/><BR/>I don't think that a definition is going to help this. Maybe a Case, but I think that Case 54 is sufficient.<BR/><BR/>I think I have worked through the variants of RRS 19, where the hail is audible and not audible. I'll find it and post it.<BR/><BR/>BrassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-52164108441482953082008-04-13T22:30:00.000+02:002008-04-13T22:30:00.000+02:00I've had many protest where one party claims to ha...I've had many protest where one party claims to have heard nothing.<BR/>And in response I've asked many time the volume of the hail....<BR/><BR/>The arm signals in Match - and Team Racing are there as much for the benefit of the umpires as for the other boat.<BR/>Luckily the hail for protest is - at least for boats over 6 m - accompanied by the protest flag.Joshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10346870418220762709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9170261917486213112.post-75665063571620567192008-04-10T12:59:00.000+02:002008-04-10T12:59:00.000+02:00I don't agree with Bryan Willis "definition" or th...I don't agree with Bryan Willis "definition" or that a definition is needed at all.<BR/><BR/>The rules of the game say words not defined in the RRS are used in the sense ordinarily understood in nautical or general use. (RRS Introduction - Terminology). To find this we may consult a dictionary.<BR/><BR/>The Shorter Oxford Dictionary defines Hail as "to call to a ship ... from a distance in order to attract attention". RRS 19 and 61.1(a) go somewhat further in requireing that the hail convey "room to tack" or be "Protest", but they do not go so far as to impose a test of "capable of being heard".<BR/><BR/>I don't agree that Bryan Willis definition is supported by Cases.<BR/><BR/>Case 54 contains no suggetion taht a hail which is not heard is somehow not a hail. It refers to "a second ... hail".<BR/><BR/>RRS C2.7 requires arm signals always to supplement a RRS 19 hail, as if it was not expectd that the hail would be heard at all.<BR/><BR/>Can you point to any Appeals Case or case in your experience where whether what one party claimed was a hail was said by the other party not to be a hail?<BR/><BR/>We shouldn't go looking to invent definitions that aren't going to solve any known problem.<BR/><BR/>BrassAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com