This episode of our Friday LTW 2012 Winter Challenge series is all about questions.
Two stories
Two parties, one witness
Five questions, each worth one point.
FF, C&D also worth five points.
I'm giving you two stories from two parties. Your challenge is to come up with good questions to get to what really happened. You are allowed one question a day, each with a deadline (midnight) . They will be answered the next morning. If you don't ask a question, your turn is forfeited for that day.
On Tuesday there's is a extra story by a witness, who then also can be asked questions. But again only one question per day per challenger. Don't rush in with five questions; sometimes the answers to your fellow challengers questions can help you. Think about what you want to know! At the end you have to write down Facts Found, Conclusion and Decision, like always. The shorter, the better.
This time there's only ONE solution. Better make those questions count!
Deadlines:
Question 1 Sunday 23:59
Question 2 Monday 23:59
Question 3 Tuesday 23:59
Question 4 Wednesday 23:59
Question 5 Thursday 23:59
Facts Found, Conclusion & Decision Friday 23:59
On the protest-form: End of Protest time 18:00 hours, Protest delivered (by Red) at 17:44 hours. Protestor Tornado Red - Protestee Tornado Purple - Witness Tornado Grey. Incident in Race 3, halfway up the second beat to Mark 1, at appr. 15:05 hours. Rule(s) infringed: 10.
Red's story:
On the beat to the second windward mark I was on starboard. Purple came on port and wanted to pass in front of me. My crew saw them coming and shouted "Starboard", but they continued. When they were halfway passed my starboard bow, I eased my sheet and bore away to go behind them.
Purple's story:
I agree with everything he said, only he didn't have to bear away. We would have passed in front easily. He didn't have to change course at all. We would have cleared with room to spare. We crossed twice already in that beat and both times we were in front.
Good luck!
J.
NB: Scoring Episode 02/03 will probably be on Sunday again.
UPDATE 14-02-12; Witness Grey boat:
Two stories
Two parties, one witness
Five questions, each worth one point.
FF, C&D also worth five points.
On Tuesday there's is a extra story by a witness, who then also can be asked questions. But again only one question per day per challenger. Don't rush in with five questions; sometimes the answers to your fellow challengers questions can help you. Think about what you want to know! At the end you have to write down Facts Found, Conclusion and Decision, like always. The shorter, the better.
This time there's only ONE solution. Better make those questions count!
Deadlines:
Question 1 Sunday 23:59
Question 2 Monday 23:59
Question 3 Tuesday 23:59
Question 4 Wednesday 23:59
Question 5 Thursday 23:59
Facts Found, Conclusion & Decision Friday 23:59
On the protest-form: End of Protest time 18:00 hours, Protest delivered (by Red) at 17:44 hours. Protestor Tornado Red - Protestee Tornado Purple - Witness Tornado Grey. Incident in Race 3, halfway up the second beat to Mark 1, at appr. 15:05 hours. Rule(s) infringed: 10.Red's story:
On the beat to the second windward mark I was on starboard. Purple came on port and wanted to pass in front of me. My crew saw them coming and shouted "Starboard", but they continued. When they were halfway passed my starboard bow, I eased my sheet and bore away to go behind them.
Purple's story:
I agree with everything he said, only he didn't have to bear away. We would have passed in front easily. He didn't have to change course at all. We would have cleared with room to spare. We crossed twice already in that beat and both times we were in front.
Good luck!
J.
NB: Scoring Episode 02/03 will probably be on Sunday again.
UPDATE 14-02-12; Witness Grey boat:
| I was on
starboard to windward and in front of Red. I saw that RED bore off to pass
astern of Purple. Then Purple passed behind me. Nobody did a penalty. |
Question for RED:
ReplyDeleteWhen you passed behind purple, how closely did the two boats pass?
RED: "Distance of two meters"
DeleteQuestion 1, directed at both parties
ReplyDeleteCould you both draw a diagram showing Red’s, Purple’s and Gray’s courses at the time of the incident, with specific distances marked for the gap between Red and Purple at the time Red started bearing away (or if Purple denies there was a bearing away, at the time Purple was half way past Red’s starboard bow) and the gap at the time Red passed closest to Purple's stern?
No diagrams, text only.
DeleteDistance between boats when Red began to bear off was 5,5 meters
Purple, what was the distance between your starboard transom and Red's starboard bow as he passed behind you?
ReplyDeletePURPLE: "I'm guessing 3 meters"
DeleteTo RED: How fast were you going before you bore away?
ReplyDeleteRED: "About 6m per second"
DeleteQuestion for Red:
ReplyDeleteWhen you eased your sheet how far away was Purple and (with dead ahead as 12 o'clock) where was her bow relative to your bow?
Grey Bear
Sneaking in two questions, hé
DeleteRED: "her bow was just past my starboard bow"
Question to Red
ReplyDeletePlease, describe, where have you seen Purple relative to your jib when you started to bear away? I mean how much space (if any) have you seen between your jib and Purple at that moment.
RED: "4,5 meters"
DeleteCan we ask the parties to "put the boats"?
ReplyDeleteIf so, my first question is:
Question to RED:
Can you please put the boats in relation to each other from the moment you eased your sheet and bore away until the moment you passed behind PURPLE?
If the parties cannot "put the boats" and will answer "text-only", my question is:
Question to RED:
Please tell us how far from PURPLE you were when you eased your sheet and how much you bore away?
No diagrams, text only,
DeleteWhich one of the two questions do you want me to answer?
RED, how much did you bear away?
DeleteRED: "I really don't know, I put the bow down and up again"
Deletei did not know this counted as a new days question, as i thought i only clarified on REDs question. sorry.
DeleteThe redress is granted. You have two questions left.
DeleteMinus point is withdrawn.
thanks, also to the unknown requestor..
Deletei will save my two remaining questions for wednesday and thursday..
Purple: please give us your best estimate (in meters or feet) of the distance between your starboard stern and red's starboard bow when they were closest to each other, as red passed behind you.
ReplyDeletePURPLE: "Somewhere around 3 meters"
DeleteWhat was the distance between the two boats when red altered course.
ReplyDeleteWhom do you ask, Red or Purple?
DeleteRed, how far were you from purple when you headed down?
ReplyDeleteRED: "I think 5,5 meters"
DeleteQuestion to Red: "Why did you pass so far from Purple. You said two meters"?
DeleteRED: "I put my rudder down to avoid Purple. By the time I steered back it was already this distance. It was like, a reflex and I didn't aim at his stern, like when you go behind a starboard boat sailing on port. Then you anticipate and steer. Now I had to do it at the last moment, while I was not expecting it"
DeleteRed: please give us your best estimate (in degrees) of the course alteration you referred to.
ReplyDeleteRED: "I really don't know, I put the bow down and up again"
DeleteGrey: please rank the following statement from 0 to 10 as best as your judgment about the relevant conditions (boat speed, etc.) allows, where 10 means you are absolutely sure the statement is correct, and 0 means you are absolutely sure the statement is incorrect (so 5 means you think it was a coin toss):
Delete"Purple would have passed ahead of red without contact, had red not altered course."
GREY: "hmmm, let me think, my answer is: 5"
DeleteGrey: You sound like an experienced tornado sailor. Under the conditions at the time of the incident, what angle to the wind would you say a properly trimmed tornado sails, on a beat to windward? Even if you are not so experienced, please give me your best estimate (in degrees), since this is my last question allowed.
DeleteGREY: "I would say 40 degrees"
DeleteRed, on your protest form you say that Purple was "halfway passed" your starboard bow before you eased your sheet and started to bear away. However, in response to a question from my colleague Grey Bear you said that Purple's bow was "just passed" your starboard bow when you started to bear away. Please could you help me to reconcile these two statements by saying how much of Purple's starboard hull had, in your estimation, already passed the centreline of your starboard hull at the point where you started to bear away (when you say you were about 5.5m from Purple)?
ReplyDeleteRED: "I saw the bow of Purple past my starboard bow, and decided he wasn't going to make it without me hitting him, so I put my rudder down. We were travelling fast, it might have been one or two meters?"
DeleteQuestion to PURPLE:
ReplyDeleteCan you please tell us how fast you were sailing at the time of the incident?
PURPLE: "about 12 knots?"
DeleteThis is your second question today: The challenge stated you only get one. One minus point and no question tomorrow!
DeleteRequest for redress for rodeo's score!
DeleteThe instructions stated five questions, and "Don't rush in with five questions; sometimes the answers to your fellow challengers questions can help you", which clearly suggests that the best strategy is to give only one question per day, but also implies that it is possible to ask more, as long as the five days, five questions (one question per day) limit is not exceeded.
Hehehe :) we all do like rules and interpretation don't we? Anonymous request just to try to avoid, however unsuccessfully, to get a minus point myself :)
Redress Granted
DeleteMinus point is withdrawn, but not more than five question for Rodeo.
Question to Purple
ReplyDeleteYou say you would have cleared Red with room to spare. How far, in metres, do you believe you would have been from Red as you passed in front of Red's bows?
Grey Bear
PURPLE: "I don't understand the question. You mean, if he hadn't bore off? In the previous crossing it was 2 meters."
DeleteQuestion to Purple
ReplyDeleteHow much did Red bear away?
PURPLE: "I don't know how much. I think it was unnecessary"
DeleteQuestion to Purple
ReplyDeleteI'm interested to know why you say that Red didn't have to bear away. Red says he was traveling 12 knots, his starboard bow was in line with your bow 5.5 meters away from you, he bore away and passed you astern by 2 meters. Can you give us your response, and your grounds, to Red's allegations?
PURPLE: "I think it he was farther away or travelling slower. All I know is that he didn't have to change course, for me to clear him"
DeleteQuestion for RED:
ReplyDeleteWhat would have happened if you did not bear away?
RED: "I think I would have hit Purple"
DeleteUPDATE 14-02-12; Witness Grey boat:
ReplyDeleteI was on starboard to windward and in front of Red. I saw that RED bore off to pass astern of Purple.
Then Purple passed behind me. Nobody did a penalty.
Red, please tell me everything that you did after the incident, and when, to inform Purple that you intended to protest.
ReplyDeleteRED: "I shouted 'Protest' and then we put up the red flag.
DeleteTo GREY: Based on your own boat speed how fast do you estimate RED was travelling at the time he bore away?
ReplyDeleteGREY: "about the same speed as me, 12 knots?"
DeleteQuestion to Grey
ReplyDeleteHow did you start specifically taking notice of Red's interaction with Purple?
GREY: "Red had passed in front of me in the previous crossing, we went right and they went left. I wanted to see if we had gained on them, so I was watching all the time for him to cross us again. This time we were on starboard, so I wanted to see if the right side was better"
DeleteQuestion to Grey
ReplyDeleteWhat is the shortest distance that can usually be considered as a "safe distance" between the bow of a ducking Tornado and the transom of the other one in a port-starboard crossing situation, in the wind and wave conditions of this race, when they sail at a speed of 12 knots?
GREY: "I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. If the ducking boat it on port maybe 10 centimetres?"
DeleteQuestion to Grey:
ReplyDeleteDo you believe Purple would have crossed clear of Red if Red had not born away?
Grey Bear
GREY: "I have no idea"
DeleteQuestion to GREY:
ReplyDeleteIf RED had not bore off, what would have happened?
GREY: "I really don't know, I saw Red ducking"
DeleteThank you Zaphod for asking the question I had planned for today!
ReplyDeleteQuestion to Purple: How did you learn of Red's intention to protest?
Grey Bear
PURPLE: "I hear him shout protest when he passed astern of me"
DeleteTo Red - can you describe the sailing conditions: wind speed, frequency of gusts, sea state?
DeleteSee answer by Red in the next comment.
DeleteQuestion for all
ReplyDeleteCan you describe the weather and sea conditions at the time of the incident?
RED: "Fair weather, not so much wind, maybe Beaufort 2 - 3, i'd say 8 knots. Sea was fairly calm although there were some big background waves.
DeletePURPLE: "I agree"
GREY: "I thought it was perhaps 6 knots"
To GREY: You mentioned that you were in front and to windward of RED. How far to windward of RED were you?
ReplyDeleteGREY: "a boatlength and a half, maybe 10-12 meters"
DeletePurple, what evidence can you give me that on this occasion you would have safely crossed ahead of Red such that she had no need to bear away to avoid you?
ReplyDeletePURPLE: "I have no photograph if that's what you mean. I guess it is just my judgement of the situation. In my opinion Red did not need to bear off"
DeleteQuestion to GREY:
ReplyDeleteHow many degrees did RED bear away?
GREY: "From where I was I couldn't say"
DeleteI am having to ask this before seeing the questions posted yesterday and their answers, so I apologise if anyone has asked this already.
ReplyDeleteQuestion to Purple
How far away from you was Red when you first noticed her approaching you?
PURPLE: "I was aware of her as soon as I tacked onto port. We were perhaps 150 meters apart. I kept checking if I could cross her or not"
DeleteGrey: Can you please state whether you have anything to gain or lose as a result of a the decision of this hearing or have a close personal interest in the decision? "Yes" or "No" is a sufficient answer to this question.
ReplyDeleteGREY: "No"
DeleteRed, we’ve heard from Purple that she crossed in front of you on two previous occasions on the same beat. What did you see this time, different from the previous occasions, that made you decide that you needed to bear away to avoid contact, when presumably on the previous occasions you hadn’t?
ReplyDeleteRED: "In the last crossing Purple was on starboard and I already thought when I passed very close behind her, maybe next crossing I can catch her. I didn't expect her to be able to cross and I was right, I had to bear away"
DeleteQuestion to RED:
ReplyDeletePrior to bearing away, had you altered course for any reason in the previous 10 seconds?
RED: "No, why would I?"
DeleteQUESTIONS are now done.
ReplyDeletePlease send in your Facts Found, Conclusion and Decision (with or without a drawing) before midnight (23:59) today.
Facts found
ReplyDelete- Halfway up the second beat to Mark 1, R on starboard tack and P on port tack approached each other, each sailing at about 6 m/s.
- R and P were identical Tornado catamarans (LOA 6.09 m, Beam 3.08 m), which sail approx. 40 degrees relative to the wind when close-hauled. 0.1 m is considered a "safe distance" between the bow of a ducking Tornado and the transom of the other one.
- Conditions were fair weather, wind between 6 and 8 knots, and fairly calm sea.
- When the boats were 5.5 m apart, R bore off to avoid P. At that point, P's starboard bow was somewhere between 1 and 2 meters past the center-line of R's starboard hull.
- R passed astern of P. The distance between the boats when they were closest to each other was somewhere between 2 and 3 meters.
- R hailed protest and displayed a red flag.
- R's protest was delivered to the race office within the time limit, and it identified the protestor and protestee; the incident, including where and when it occurred; that R believed P had broken rule 10; and the name of the protestor’s representative (Mr. Red himself).
Conclusions [and rules that apply]
- Protest is valid [61]
- P shall keep clear of R [10]
- Had R not changed course, she would have passed astern of P, at a distance between 0.4 and 1.4 m according to R's testimony. {explanation: if P's starboard bow was 1m ahead of R's direction of travel when R was 5.5m away from P, in the time that it would have taken her to travel 5.09m (so as to pass clear ahead of R, given LOA of 6.09), R would have traveled the same distance. This would put P ahead of R by no less than 0.41 m. R stated "between 1 and 2 meters" to Zaphod's very good question}
- A distance of 0.41 m is just over four times the relevant "safe distance" (see facts found).
- R could have sailed her course with no need to take avoiding action (definition: Keep clear). Her apprehension of contact was not well founded.
- P kept clear of R and thus did not break RRS 10.
Decision
No rules were broken.
Protest dismissed.
Safe distance to pass astern is 10 centimetres, if you are on Port aiming your bow to go behind Starboard. It is NOT a safe distance for Port to cross ahead of Starboard!
DeleteWith a speed of 6m/s Red reacted ONE second before she might have hit Purple..... That means Purple is not 'keeping clear'
I'll give you two points for consistency and format
Score 5 + 2 = 7 points
Hi Jos, again this has nothing to do with my score. 7 is not bad for a newb :)
DeleteLet me give you the chronology of my reasoning: when Grey said "50-50 chance to pass" I thought, bingo, case 50... in the bag.
But then I carefully read what I thought was a great question by Zaphod, and the answer by Red:
****
Red, on your protest form you say that Purple was "halfway passed" your starboard bow before you eased your sheet and started to bear away. However, in response to a question from my colleague Grey Bear you said that Purple's bow was "just passed" your starboard bow when you started to bear away. Please could you help me to reconcile these two statements by saying how much of Purple's starboard hull had, in your estimation, already passed the centreline of your starboard hull at the point where you started to bear away (when you say you were about 5.5m from Purple)?
RED: "I saw the bow of Purple past my starboard bow, and decided he wasn't going to make it without me hitting him, so I put my rudder down. We were travelling fast, it might have been one or two meters?"
****
So I sat down, did a diagram and found that, using the different numbers quoted by red herself, she would have passed 0.41m (if 1m), 1.41m (if 2m), or 2.41m (if "halfway past") behind Purple. My conclusion was that Red overreacted, which explained in my mind why she was 2 or 3 meters behind after correcting. This is also taking the 5.5m at face value, even though red has an incentive to minimize that stated distance (just like red saw 2m when purple saw 3m minimum distance). Since Purple would have passed ahead even in the most pessimistic scenario laid out by red, I figured that no reasonable doubt was left that red simply overreacted (maybe strategically, to force a pen turn or protest). Then I thought "Jos is sneaky... setting up a case 50 scenario but giving the challenge to find the other way". I was wrong :P
I've drawn the Pink boat to show that Red would have passed very close behind. So you might have been right in calculating that this would happen.
DeleteThis is however not the point. Even if you can show that Red would have passed behind Purple, it is still not unreasonable for Red to doubt that this would happen. Since she is ROW boat that reasonable doubt / apprehension must never occur. If it does Purple is not fulfilling her obligation to keep clear. That is the point in case 50.
And I'm sneaky, but not that sneaky.....
Lol... thanks :)
DeleteI think I get it. But then where do you draw the line? How do you stop a very nervous skipper from disadvantaging the port boat even if there would be more than ample room, if the skipper does not change course? (i.e even if the boat can sail her course with no need to take avoiding action, but the jittery skipper takes avoiding action anyway?)
Even more problematic, how do you avoid a skipper abusing the case by, knowingly, unnecessarily changing course and then claiming a false apprehension?
I know one should presume honesty, but shouldn't the facts found at some point outweigh the claims of apprehension by the starboard skipper?
I must also confess that Red's answer to my question about how many degrees she bore off made me suspicious... "I don't know, bow down and then up" was consistent with a momentary and unnecessary 5-degree change, just to abuse case 50...
DeleteTo your first comment about a overly nervous skipper: Such are the burdens on a keep clear boat! If she can show in the room it was clearly not necessary and the ROW boat already changed course four boat lengths from any collision, she will not be penalized. It is her job as much as it is the PCs to find out what happened, including overly cautious helmsman, abusing skippers, Hollywood actors and dishonesty.
DeleteIf you thought skill as a sailor was not needed in the room, you are mistaken. Only if you understand what a boat can or cannot do, you'll be able to sort out these kind of problems.
RED: "And me thinking, why does this judge ask about degrees when I'm trying to avoid hitting another boat. Who has time to count the angels?"
DeleteGotcha. I think :)
DeleteFacts Found:
ReplyDelete1. In Race 3, RED and PURPLE sailing on a beat to windward were approaching each other on a near collision course. PURPLE was sailing close hauled on port tack. RED was sailing close hauled on starboard tack. GREY was in front of RED and 1.5 boat lengths to windward sailing close hauled on starboard tack.
2. RED was sailing at a speed of 12 knots. Both RED and PURPLE were aware of the other’s course. RED hailed “Starboard” as the boats approached each other.
3. When RED was 5.5 metres from PURPLE she bore away. At this same moment PURPLE’s starboard bow was 1m past the line of RED’s starboard bow. PURPLE did not alter course.
4. When RED passed PURPLE’s starboard transom there was a 2m gap between the boats. RED hailed “Protest”.
5. PURPLE passed astern of GREY.
Rules that apply: Rules 14 and 10 and the definition of ‘keep clear’.
Conclusion:
RED took avoiding action with only 1 second to spare before a potential collision. RED thereby complied with her obligations under rule 14 when it became clear that PURPLE was not keeping clear (Rule 10 and definition of 'keep clear'). PURPLE failed to keep clear (definition of 'keep clear' and ISAF Case 88).
During questioning PURPLE failed to provide adequate evidence to establish that she would have safely crossed ahead of RED and that RED had no need to take avoiding action. RED has provided specific distances and speeds of the incident (which are corroborated by GREY) that establish a reasonable apprehension of contact on the part of RED and that it was unlikely that RED would have had “no need to take avoiding action”. RED was not obligated to hold her course and prove that a collision was inevitable (Case 50).
Decision: Protest upheld; PURPLE is to be disqualified in Race 3.
A little long, but spot on.
DeleteYou asked three questions, which makes your score 8 + 1 bonus for Case 50 = 9 points
Facts found
ReplyDelete1. Red and Purple were both sailing close hauled at a speed of 12 knots. Red was on starboard tack and Purple was converging on port.
2. When Red was approximately 5.5 meters from Purple, her starboard bow was aiming towards the front 2 meters of Purple’s starboard hull.
3. Red, apprehending contact, then bore away to avoid Purple and passed 2 meters astern of her.
4. Had Red not borne away, there is doubt whether Purple would have passed her clear ahead, without contact.
Conclusions
1. Red had a reasonable apprehension of contact and needed to take avoiding action. Consequently, Purple, on port, did not keep clear of Red on starboard, and broke rule 10.
Decision
Purple is DSQ
FF 4 is in fact already a conclusion
DeleteBut nice and short and more to the point, correct.
5Q + 5 points = 10 points. Too bad you didn't refer to Case 50 for the bonus point.
Facts found:
ReplyDeleteTornados (hull length 6.09m) close-hauled upwind, sailing at 12kts (6m/s).
Wind 6-8kts, sea calm, moderate swell.
Purple, port tack, sailing to cross in front of Red, stbd tack.
When less than one hull length apart (5.5m), just after Purple started to cross the bow of Red’s starboard hull (Purple’s bow 1m-2m passed Red’s bow), Red bore away, passing 2m astern of Purple less than 1 second later (no contact).
Red hailed “Protest” and displayed red flag.
No penalty taken.
Conclusion:
Red changed course to avoid potential contact with Purple.
At the moment Red changed course there was reasonable doubt that Purple would safely cross ahead if Red did not take avoiding action, hence Red was justified in taking avoiding action and Purple failed to keep clear (Rule 10, ISAF Case 50).
Red complied with rule 61.
Decision:
Protest valid.
DSQ Purple from Race 3.
Zaphod
Pretty much perfect. I would not write that a boat complied with a rule - then there's no end - but what the heck, you mention Case 50.
DeleteScore 11 points
FACTS FOUND:
ReplyDeleteRED was beating on starboard tack, PURPLE was beating on port tack.
Both were sailing at about 6 m/s (12 knots).
PURPLE sailed to cross in front of RED.
When the distance between RED and PURPLE was 5.5 meters, PURPLEs bow had passed REDs starboard hull by not more than 2 meters.
The angle between both boats was approximately 80°.
RED bore away and crossed between 2 and 3 meters behind PURPLE.
No penalties were taken.
CONCLUSIONS AND RULES THAT APPLY:
RED has right of way under rule 10.
At a speed of 6 m/s (or 12 knots), the boats advance 1 boat length per second.
At a distance of 5.5 meters between the boats, RED bore away less than one second before the boats courses converged.
Whether or not PURPLE would have been able to safely cross in front of RED in that one second remains doubtful.
There was genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision on REDs part.
PURPLE failed to keep clear from RED and hereby infringed rule 10 (refer to CASE 50).
DECISION:
PURPLE is disqualified under rule 64.1(a) for infringing rule 10.
Best answer so far. But you never asked your two final questions?
DeleteScore 3 + 5 + 1 bonus = 9 points
Thanks!
DeleteYes, I had absolutely no time on wednesday and thursday.
And, to be honest, I would probably have had a hard time finding a good question - my fellow judges already took all the good questions ;)
Race Number: 3
ReplyDeleteProtestor: RED
Protestee: PURPLE
Witness: GREY
Facts Found:
1. On a beat to windward, PURPLE, on port, attempted to cross ahead of RED, on Starboard.
2. RED bore away and passed astern of PURPLE at a distance of 2-3 meters.
3. The boats were each moving at 12 knots (6m per second).
4. At 6m per second, a boat travels 3 meters in 1/2 second.
5. RED testified that if she did not bear away "I think I would have hit Purple"
Conclusions:
1. RED missed hitting PURPLE by 1/2 second.
2. RED had a reasonable apprehension of contact.
3. PURPLE failed to keep clear, breaking rule 10.
Decision:
PURPLE DSQ Race 3. Rules 10, 64.1(a)
Discussion:
See ISAF Case 50
Very good.
DeleteI'm less happy with FF 5. Writing down what a boat testified is not helpful. Facts Found should describe the incident as if you are describing a film. If you would have stated the distance between boats when Red bore off, it would have been complete.
But the answer is correct and you have found Case 50. So, score is 5 + 4 + 1 bonus = 10 points
Protest Feb 10, 2012
ReplyDeleteFacts
Red on starboard on a converging course with purple on port
Both boats travelling at 12 kts
Seas large rolling swell
When Red starboard bow was 6 m from 2m aft of purples starboard bow, Red headed down.
Red past 2.5 m astern of Purple
No penalty turns were taken by either boat
Conclusions
Red on starboard altered it’s course when she felt she could not continue on her original course and pass safely astern of purple on port given the high speed and sea conditions. (Rule 10)(Case 50)
Decision
Protest is allowed. Purple is DSQ
The one and only comments I have is that your wording should be the wording as used in the rulebook. For example:
DeleteConclusions
Red had a reasonable apprehension of contact, therefore Purple did not keep clear and broke rule 10 (See Case 50)
and
Protest are upheld (not allowed)
Shame about only two questions.
Score 2Q + 4 + 1 bonus = 8 points
Protestor : Red
ReplyDeleteProtestee : Purple
Race 3; Protest lodged : 17.44; Protest time limit : 18.00
Facts Found
1. On a beat to windward, Purple, on port, attempted to cross ahead of Red, on starboard.
2. Red was sailing at 12 knots.
3. When Red's starboard bow was 5.5 metres from Purple's starboard bow, Red bore away and passed 3 metres astern of Purple.
4. There was no contact.
5. Red hailed protest and displayed a red flag.
Conclusions
1. Purple was informed of Red's intention to protest according to rule 61.1. The protest is valid.
2. Red had a genuine and reasonable apprehension of a collision and took avoiding action
3. Purple, on port, did not keep clear of Red, on starboard. Purple broke rule 10.
Decision
1. Purple is disqualified from race 3 (rule 64.1(a))
Short and Correct.
Delete5Q + 5 makes a score of 10 points.
Next time state Case 50, okay?
I've not received answers from:
ReplyDeletePelso; he asked three questions; score 3 points
Blue Peter, one question; score 1 point
David S, dj, eye eye and EdF with no questions.
I'm dropping wetabix and OHara.
With respect to Latindane's question about "How can Port defend themselves against a malicious starboard tacker," there is a famous case I think from the 2000 Olympics where Ben Ainslie had embarrassed another skipper four years earlier. In the Olympics, the starboard tacker got revenge on him way out on the side of the course by claiming a Port/Starboard foul and, without any witnesses, Ainslie had to be disqualified even though he thought he would have passed by a large margin. I believe it was in Yachting World a few issues ago.
ReplyDeleteDavid S.